I enjoyed both of Fried’s essays on the experience and participation of the viewer in a work of art. What I did think was interesting and actually noticed right away, was that Fried picked monumental, larger than life size pieces of art in which to discuss the position of the viewer. As he points out in “Art and Objecthood,” the pieces are so big that there is no denying their presence. To me, this seems obvious. I think when a piece of art is large, it is easier to imagine yourself within or a part of because of its size. I would have liked to hear his take on the viewer within a smaller piece of art. It is however also interesting that the essays we were assigned to read questions the viewers place or role in a narrative, figurative painting and one in a simplistic, literalist sculpture with no apparent narrative or subject matter other that that of the experience of the viewer in relation to it. From what I can gather, and perhaps this may be too general, too simple, but the viewer is placed within and meant to experience both of these pieces. (Even though in Courbet’s “Burial” the artist is placing the viewer within a specific scene, I still think Fried’s conclusions are similar.) There did not seem to be a huge difference to me in Fried’s results and conclusion of the beholder, but rather the difference was in his analysis. Overall, I enjoyed his analysis from “Art and Objecthood” more than his essay on Courbet because the question of identity and what forms identity is once again evoked. Simply put, in Fried’s essay on Courbet he conveyed to me formal aspects of the painting that I hadn’t noticed before as well as the artist’s painting history leading up to the “Burial.” However, in “Art and Objecthood,” Fried brought up things that I hadn’t thought about before, or had thought about before, but took my thoughts in a different direction.
In Fried’s essay on Courbet, while I was relieved with his writing style in comparison to that of T.J. Clark, I was more interested in Fried’s introduction before his seemingly more formal analysis. Here he included socio-political theories made by Clark and other critics based on their analysis of “The Burial at Ornans” and it relationship, conveyance, and portrayal of the politics of rural France during the time in which Courbet was painting. I thought it was especially interesting that Clark mentioned that Courbet as an artist and a citizen would have had to choose what type of political person or ideal he was painting, meaning that there was a need to choose a side.
In Fried’s “Art and Objecthood,” I again began thinking about Valadon’s nudes and what shape’s their identity. (They are naked females, and according to Mulvey and Valadon, are meant to be perceived as more than a body. How do you convey something you cannot see especially when something physical and so blatant as a female nude is starring back?) Mulvey argued that Valadon’s nudes were subjects, individual and separate from the shape they took as nude females. Similarly, Fried questions the identity of painting and sculpture suggesting that in modern painting objects rely and are defined by the shape that they take. While in minimalist art, or literalist art as he refers to it, the shape is the object. I don’t know if Mulvey would agree with this because the “shape” in her article is a female nude, and that would mean if shape is object, then the subjects of Valadon’s painting are actually objects in that of female body. So, how does an artist convey more through art? Is there anyway that Valadon could have posed or painted her subjects differently in order to convey “a real, thinking woman” and still portray them nude? I think Valadon may be trying to get the viewer to look passed the body and see a woman, not the physical characteristics of a woman’s body that seems to dictate so much of how she is viewed and perceived, but instead the being that makes up the woman. (I must say however that if I had not read Mulvey’s article on Valadon’s nudes and came across one in a museum, I don’t know if I could read this much into it. At the most I might think that Valadon is trying to convey the body of a real woman, not necessarily the mind set. After all, in the end, I am still looking at a nude female. I would think the choice to portray a female nude is suppose to be the area of concentration.)
Now, I don’t know if Valadon’s nudes in comparison to a minimalist sculpture is a fair one in terms of object and shape, because the sculpture as Fried says does not have a precise subject matter, but is meant to be experienced by the viewer, while Valadon has a pretty specific subject matter in mind. However, for me the question is still there. Is shape and object the same? Does the physical become the first identifying factor, or is it possible to see past the shape before reading into and experiencing it?